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New Post 6/12/2007 8:10 PM
  Prof. Verkhoshansky
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Re: I hRe: Bench Press - Powerlifting 

Dear Ariel Schillaci,

 

1. At the moment you can buy "Special Strength Training: practical manual for coaches" at http://www.ultimateathleteconcepts.com/store/books.html.

2. I have only the Italian version of book Shock Method. I think that the paragraph and the number of figure are the same in the Spanish edition so I will refer to them. In the Italian book the exercise which we referring is presented in the paragraph 2.3. “Another Shock Method means”, Figure 2.10,” The exercises of Shock regime for gymnastic athletes” (exercise D). This exercise can be performed also with the leg position presented in the figure C a).

3. For the first exercise of my program you can try to adapt the exercise presented on the figure 2.11 for the Bench Press with Smith Machine or Multipower using. I only think that the execution of this exercise could be dangerous: it’s need the help of  two very attentive and strong persons.

4. The second exercise is the most important element of my program because its main objective is to increase the Bench Press 1RM weight. At the begging you should try to perform the exercise with the maximal weight. I don’t know what you mean for “Failure”, this exercise should be execute correctly so if you don’t succeed with the maximal weight try to execute it correctly with your best limit weight. After, when you start to perform easily the third set with 100% weight, you should start to perform it with overload weight superior of 100%, increasing the weight, step by step, of 5 kg.

 

Yuri Verkhoshansky

 
New Post 6/12/2007 10:21 PM
  ArielSchillaci
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Re: I hRe: Bench Press - Powerlifting 
Modified By 1511146@aruba.it  on 6/12/2007 11:49:19 PM)
 Prof. Verkhoshansky wrote

Dear Ariel Schillaci,

 

1. At the moment you can buy "Special Strength Training: practical manual for coaches" at http://www.ultimateathleteconcepts.com/store/books.html.

 

>> I will buy it as soon as I can.

 

2. I have only the Italian version of book Shock Method. I think that the paragraph and the number of figure are the same in the Spanish edition so I will refer to them. In the Italian book the exercise which we referring is presented in the paragraph 2.3. “Another Shock Method means”, Figure 2.10,” The exercises of Shock regime for gymnastic athletes” (exercise D). This exercise can be performed also with the leg position presented in the figure C a).

 

>> Yes. I will do it exactly as you say it.

 

3. For the first exercise of my program you can try to adapt the exercise presented on the figure 2.11 for the Bench Press with Smith Machine or Multipower using. I only think that the execution of this exercise could be dangerous: it’s need the help of  two very attentive and strong persons.

 

>> I will do the "Figure 2.12 exercise D" in the first exercise of your program.

 

4. The second exercise is the most important element of my program because its main objective is to increase the Bench Press 1RM weight. At the begging you should try to perform the exercise with the maximal weight. I don’t know what you mean for “Failure”, this exercise should be execute correctly so if you don’t succeed with the maximal weight try to execute it correctly with your best limit weight. After, when you start to perform easily the third set with 100% weight, you should start to perform it with overload weight superior of 100%, increasing the weight, step by step, of 5 kg.

 

>> Now I understand.

 

Yuri Verkhoshansky

I don't know how to thank you enough for your help and all your patience. Thanks again.

Ariel Schillaci. Argentina

 
New Post 6/17/2007 2:50 PM
  Dimitry
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Re: Bench Press - Powerlifting 
Modified By 1511146@aruba.it  on 6/23/2007 9:49:31 AM)
 Prof. Verkhoshansky wrote

 

First exercise. Drop jump (Shock method)

Set number, 2

Repetition number, 8

Rest interval between the sets, 4 min

Rest interval after the first exercise, 4 min.

 

Second exercise. Squat with bar.

1° set and 2° set:

Overload weight, 2 RM (or 3RM in 1° set and 2RM in 2° set)

Repetition number, 2 (or 3 and 2)

3° set:

Overload weight 1RM ( it need be increased, step by step, adding 5 kg during the period of program)

Repetition number, 1 (it need a very big concentration and a very big voluntary effort)

Rest interval between the sets is not more than 4-5- min.

 

 

 

 

Hello professor, I would like to ask you a question on this version of stimulating method. 
  
 In your articles, is usually done for first exercise (tonic) the exercise with the barbell with a big weight, for example squat with 90-95% 1RM, while as second exercise (developing) an exercise as explosive as squat jumps or Depth jumps of method shock  is suggested.

 

Why in this type, has the order been reversed? Is there any reason especially?
  
Another version or variant of stimulating method is this?

Demetrio Frattarelli from Italy.

 
New Post 6/23/2007 10:48 AM
  Prof. Verkhoshansky
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Re: Bench Press - Powerlifting 

Dear Demetrio Frattarelli,

Yes, this is another version of the Stimulation Method, that I suggest  for Powerlifters use.

All my preceding versions were elaborated for Olympic Sport disciplines athletes, which need the power development. For this reason the “developing” exercise (second) is always a Power (Speed-Strength) exercise.

Powerlifters need Maximal Strength development so the “developing” exercise is a Maximal Strength exercise. In this case the Drop Jump (Shock Method) is used like the first stimulated (tonic) exercise because it assures the better synchronisation of moto-neurone activity.

Yuri Verkhoshansky

 
New Post 7/3/2007 1:24 AM
  ArielSchillaci
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Re: Bench Press - Powerlifting 

Prof. Yuri Verkhoshansky:

I'm in the 3rd week of your program and I'm having big improvements in my Bech Press. I have two questions:

- In the 4th week of the program. Should I make a overcompensation period with less intensity?

- How many weeks can I do this program?

Thank you very much.

Ariel Schillaci, Argentina.

 
New Post 7/5/2007 11:50 PM
  Prof. Verkhoshansky
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Re: Bench Press - Powerlifting 

Dear Ariel Schillaci,

  1. Yes, you can make a tapering (less intensity period) in the 4th  week (using only one training session in a week).
  2. You can do this program till the stabilization of Bench Press improvement. After you must do a longer tapering period or a rest period.

Regards the temporal loads organisation of  this program, I suggest you to read the books of  Mike Metzner. He found a good practical approach for high intensity training temporal organisation: one training session every 5/6 days and, if you don't feel yourself an adequately rested, you can add a few rest days in more.

 

Yuri Verkhoshansky

 
New Post 8/26/2007 4:35 PM
  Dimitry
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Block System & Bodybuilding 
Modified By 1511146@aruba.it  on 9/9/2007 11:28:28 PM)

Hi dear Professor.

 

I would ask you a question on this organization of the block A.

You wrote:

     Regarding the means and methods used in the Block A (increase of the Maximum Strength) it’s necessary to add that:

 

1)       all exercises should be execute with large ampleness of movements;

2)       the first exercise method must be changed from the beginning to the end of BlockA: from the 10RM method use to the maximal strength effort repetitions method use;

3)       the second exercise should be execute with slow concentric faze and very fast (explosive) eccentric faze: the 5-10 repetitions sets with 50% overload weight and with complete rest intervals between the sets;

4)       the second exercise should be also execute in the 5-6- repetitions sets with 60-70% overload weight, with brief muscle relaxation between each repetition and with complete rest intervals between the sets;

5)       the third exercise could be represented by Drop Jumps (Shock method) with the execution technique proposed by Sergey Strucov and by Russian Kettlebell Squat Jump.

 

As the first exercise method must be changed from the beginning to the end of BlockA: from the 10RM method use to the maximal strength effort repetitions method use; is it indicated, in the same way, to do one similar progression also for the works of explosive strenght? In particular with a succession: explosive Speed Strength→explosive strength, and therefore with an increase of % used in the explosive works and introduction of the supermethods. Or are more indicated a succession: explosive strength→ explosive Speed Strength+Supermethods?

 

As an example to do one subdivision of this type?

 A1 - The preparatory stage.

 1) maximal strength: 10-4 RM method.

2) Explosive speed strength: explosive work with 50-60-70% RM.

3) Squat Jumps 30% RM.

  

A2 - The maximal strength stage.

 1) Maximal strength: 3-1 RM method.

2) Explosive strength: explosive work with 70-90% RM.

3) Squat jumps 40-60% RM.

4) Shock Method and Stimulating Method.

 

A3 - The maximal strength-hypertrophy stage.

 1) Maximal strength: 3-1 RM method.

2) Explosive strength: explosive work with 70-90% RM.

3) Squat jumps 40-60% RM.

4) Shock Method and Stimulating Method.

5) Introduction of means of hypertrophy works.

 

If  the objective is the improvement of the neuro-muscolar component of strength (increase of the motor unities number recruited in movements), is  this sequence indicated ?

Or are the means of Explosive speed strength: (explosive work with 50-60-70% RM and Squat Jumps 30% RM) more indicated in A2 and A3? And are the means of explosive strength (explosive work with 70-90% RM and Squat jumps 40-60% RM.) more indicated in A1?

 

Demetrio Frattarelli, Italy.

 
New Post 9/10/2007 12:24 AM
  Prof. Verkhoshansky
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Re: Block System & Bodybuilding 
Modified By 1511146@aruba.it  on 9/9/2007 11:29:08 PM)

Dear Demetrio Fraterelli,

if we are talking about the organisation of the Block system in Bodybuilding, I have to repeat that  it should be realized in completely different way respect the Olympic disciplines: with another base of principles of the conjugate-sequenced use of different emphasis training loads.

In what way it’s possible to create this system? Because I haven’t the experimental data of the practical application of this system in Bodybuilding, I can only explain my opinions regards the possible conceptual theoretic models that could use.

In Bodybuilding it’s not necessary to increase the power effort of the competition exercise, as in Olympic sport disciplines.  The final objective of the Bodybuilding training is muscle hypertrophy. So, the specific exercises in this case should be represented by the high volume (repetitions number) overloaded exercises performed slowly without muscle relaxation.

To involve the major part of muscle mass in the morphological reconstruction process, assured by this specific method,  it’s need to activate the neuro-muscular mechanism of strength capacity (to “weak up” the “slipping” motor unities). This allows also to perform the specific exercises with more heavy weight. The maximal effort exercises and the use of Shock method should assure this possibility. So, the explosive strength exercises are not specific means that could be used only to the CNS stimulation of the maximal strength increasing.

Before to start using these two very hard training methods, it need to prepare the neuro-muscular apparatus of athlete during the special preliminary training stage.

So, with the use of  the classic variants of strength training methods, the Block system could be created, for example, in the following way (Note: remember that each block must include the training means of the precedent and the following blocks: the training methods of each current block must be gradually substituted by the following block’s training methods).

 

1° block. The preliminary stage.

Could be used the exercises of your block A1.

The 10RM exercises should be performed slowly with maximal amplitude. The explosive exercises should prepare the athletes for the use of the following Shock method.

 

2° block. Maximal strength increasing based on the functional-morphological reconstructions

without great muscle hypertrophy

Could be used the serial-repetition method (the exercises must be performed without muscle relaxation):

1° set - 8-10 repetitions with the 80% weight, 3-4 min rest.

2° set – 5 repetitions with the 90% weight, 3-4  min rest

3° set – 3 repetitions with the 93% weight, 3-4- min rest

      Usually it’s used 2- 3 series of each sets with 6 – 8 minutes of rest between each series.

 

3° block. Maximal strength increasing based on the neuro-muscular mechanism stimulation.

It need to use the maximal effort method (the exercises must be performed slowly with muscle relaxation):

1.       2-4 sets of 2-3- repetitions with 90-95% weight. The rest intervals – 4-5 min.

2.       The method that could be used only each 10 – 14 days:

      1° set – 1 repetition with 90 – 95% weight,

      2° set -  1 repetition with 95 – 100% weight,

      3° set -  1 repetition with 100 and more that 100% weight.

      Every set should be executed for two times. The rest intervals – 4-5 min.

3.       The Shock Method.

 

4° block. Maximal strength increasing based on the functional-morphological reconstruction with muscle hypertrophy.

Could be used the repetition method (the exercises must be performed without muscle relaxation):

 2-3 sets of 10-12 repetitions with 75-80% weight), 2 min rest.

 

The 3° block methods and the 4° block methods could be used in the same training stage in more traditional way: for example, using the maximal effort exercises only ones a week (one training session – the maximal effort method, two training sessions – the repetition method).

Also, it’s possible to start using only the maximal effort methods (untill the stabilization of the maximal effort weight increasing) and, after that, to use only the repetition method (untill the new stabilisation of maximal strength increasing). This changing of methods could be used several times.

 

5° block. Muscle mass increasing without the increasing of maximal strength.

Could be used the hypertrophy’s training methods with the gradual increasing of training volume (total repetitions number); for example, the “pumping” super series of  30-60 second exercises with lower (30-70%) weight executed with reduced amplitude.

 

6° block. The pre-competition preparation

Could be used all the traditional methods of subcutaneous fat diminution.

 

So, in the second part of the Block system training model for Bodybuilding, the intensity of loads (the overload weight) should be gradually decreased, but the loads volume (the repetition number) should be gradually increased.

 

Yuri Verkhoshansky

 
New Post 11/8/2007 4:35 PM
  Dimitry
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Re: Block System & Bodybuilding 

Hi dear Professor.

 

I would ask you about your block system.

 

You wrote:

 

1° block. The preliminary stage.

Could be used the exercises of your block A1.

1) maximal strength: 10-4 RM method.

2) Explosive speed strength: explosive work with 50-60-70% RM.

3) Squat Jumps 30% RM.

The 10RM exercises should be performed slowly with maximal amplitude. The explosive exercises should prepare the athletes for the use of the following Shock method.

 

2° block. Maximal strength increasing based on the functional-morphological reconstructions

without great muscle hypertrophy

Could be used the serial-repetition method (the exercises must be performed without muscle relaxation):

1° set - 8-10 repetitions with the 80% weight, 3-4 min rest.

2° set – 5 repetitions with the 90% weight, 3-4  min rest

3° set – 3 repetitions with the 93% weight, 3-4- min rest

      Usually it’s used 2- 3 series of each sets with 6 – 8 minutes of rest between each series.

 

1) Are maximal strength: 10-4 RM method of first block and the serial-repetition method of second block the same mean?

2) In the first block, have I to do one progression from the 10 reps to the 4 reps like in according to second block? Or only sets of 10 reps?

3) In the first block, have I to reach the failure in all the sets as in the second block?

 

4) Which could be the duration of the single blocks in case of a annual cycle with an only contest the 31 July?

5) Which could be the duration of the single blocks in case of double programming with two contests (31 July and 31 January)?

 

Demetrio Frattarelli, Italy.

 

 

 

 
New Post 11/8/2007 5:25 PM
  Dimitry
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Re: Block System & Bodybuilding 
In order to facilitate the answer, the sixth block (The pre-competition preparation-subcutaneous fat diminution) lasts 3 months in the annual cycle and it lasts 1,5-2 months in double programming cycle.

 

Demetrio Frattarelli, Italy.

 
New Post 11/15/2007 12:51 AM
  Prof. Verkhoshansky
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Re: Block System & Bodybuilding 

Dear Demetrio Frattarelli,

I have to repeat that the Block System for Bodybuilding that I described in this Forum is only a conceptual model that helps to understand better the basic idea.

To explain better what could be the training loads with different finalization in the case of Bodybuilding I used the examples of the most important overload training methods that are usually used in Olympic sport disciplines to obtain different training aims.

This conceptual model is not a training program ready to be used in practice (operative model), but only a general indication of how it could be developed. I wished help the bodybuilders to go out from the “rep ranges manipulating mentality” and to explain “how you can fish” so we could “fish” together.

An operative model should be more clear in each details and could include also other means and methods. The conceptual model helps to elaborate the operative model on the base of many practical experiences that are very precious.

 

So, I could give you the answers that concern only the correct use of the Olympic sport training methods.

1)       Are maximal strength: 10-4 RM method of first block and the serial-repetition method of second block the same mean?

 

It could be the same exercise (for instance, Barbell Squat of Bench press) executed in a little bit different way.

The exercise of the first block.

At the beginning of this stage, the athlete should perform the sets with the weight of 10RM  and after, during all this stage, this weight should be gradually increased until 4RM. The exercise should be executed with maximal amplitude, with  maximal repetition number (until the failure) and with a good control of execution technique (the “failure” is reached also when the athlete cannot execute the last repetition with the maximal amplitude).

The exercise of the second block.

The athlete should perform 2-3 series of 3 sets with the weight, in each set, of 80%, 90% and 93%. The exercise should be executed without muscle relaxation (the amplitude should be ample but not maximal like in the preceding block) and with maximal repetition number (until the “natural” failure).

The exercise of the first set is very similar to the exercise of the preceding block, but the value of 10-8 RM weight is higher and the amplitude of movement is a little bit shorter.

 

2)       In the first block, have I to do one progression from the 10 reps to the 4 reps like in according to second block? Or only sets of 10 reps?

There is no progression from 10 to 4 repetitions during the training session. In this training stage the progression should be in the personal 8-10 RM value.

 

3)       In the first block, have I to reach the failure in all the sets as in the second block?

Yes.

 

4)       Which could be the duration of the single blocks in case of a annual cycle with an only contest the 31 July?

5)       Which could be the duration of the single blocks in case of double programming with two contests (31 July and 31 January)?

By general point of view, the durations of blocks depend on the duration of the whole preparation period that you have at your disposal. These durations could be calculated through the division of the preparation period duration on the number of blocks.

 

Yuri Verkhoshansky

 
New Post 11/23/2007 3:00 AM
  denisjordani
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Re: Block System & Bodybuilding 
Modified By 1511146@aruba.it  on 11/23/2007 7:27:59 PM)

Hello Professor,

Can i use this Block Method in armwrestling training?

Can i change the order of Block 4 to the place of Block 2 and than folling the method? For Ex. Block 1, Block 5, Block 4, Block 2, Block 3 and Table Training? I say that cause i focused in get some muscle in preparatory phase and than pure strenght.

Can i use 2 exercises (one for Braquioradialis and another for biceps) in the same training session of Block 2 an 3, twice a week?

Can i use isometric training to strenght? May i put it in Block 4, 2 and 3?

Thank you professor.

Denis - Brazil

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New Post 11/30/2007 4:49 PM
  Prof. Verkhoshansky
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Re: Block System & Bodybuilding 

Dear Denis,

the armwrestling training should have some similarity with Powerlifting training. In our forum there is a debate about the possibility to use the Block System Training in not Olympic sport as regards only Bodybuilding, but this sport is different from Powerlifting.

 

I really don’t know if is possible to use Block System Training in Powerlifting. I never directly attended to Powerlifting training and it’s difficult for me to discuss properly about it.

There is a good debate related to this issue between Matthew Perryman and Dan Partelly in this forum (see the thread  “Difference between russian sequence periodization and west side barbell periodization?”).

 

Yuri Verkhoshansky
 
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