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New Post 4/16/2007 8:17 AM
  tommyboy
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Modified By 1511146@aruba.it  on 4/17/2007 7:10:45 PM)

professor iam very inetrested  on the strength and conditioning of  the russian wrestlers besides alot of wrestling how else did they train for strength what type of weightlifting(olympic lifts,kettlebells,or bodyweight exercises)for stamina what type of running was done sprints or distance

Tommy Corona, United States (Postmaster add)

 
New Post 4/21/2007 6:39 AM
  lkol
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Re: wrestling 
I would also be interested in hearing the type of training that was used. I would like to compare it to the type of work we do in Olympic Judo.
I am thinking that speed and endurance strength were emphasized and would like to see how this was achieved. Obviously they were doing right things after all they produced Alexander Karelin among many other great wrestlers.
Thank you for your time
Leo
 
New Post 4/23/2007 9:53 PM
  Prof. Verkhoshansky
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Modified By Prof. Verkhoshansky  on 4/14/2008 10:57:20 AM)

Dear Leo and Tommy,

to answer properly to your questions it needs a book. I try to answer synthetically.

I were not personally involved in the training of wrestlers but I know very well some of most important coaches and I know that in Russia the methodology in this discipline is very developed.

The Russian wrestlers use all the types of training mentioned by you: Olympic lifts, kettlebells and bodyweight exercises.

They use a lot specific strength exercises with machines build specifically for them.

The run exercises are mainly of aerobic endurance: all speed and power work is specific.

In the resistance exercises (weight training) they pay attention to the capacity of muscles relaxation. In the specific work (wrestling) they pay attention to the improvement of tactile sensitivity.

To Leo: I am not sure that all methods of wrestling, free or classic, could be transferred to judo.; only general methodological approach. The judo needs more explosivity and speed of movements than the other wrestling.

 

Yuri Verkhoshansky

 
New Post 4/10/2008 10:11 PM
  thomshe
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Professor,

Who would you research to find more information on how the Russian wrestlers were trained? I know you gave some great examples, but if I wanted to look more into it who would be a good person to research? Our coaches here are some of the best in the nation for wrestling and when competiting at the international level Russia is always who is dominant. What are some things you would alter for programming in this sport? A lot of these guys are very lean and any lean muscle that is put on them could alter them making a certain weight class. So my question is what are some things that they may have done differantly in there training where they did not increase mass to much. Thanks for your help and I appreciate your willingness to provide all the practical and scientific knowledge to be passed on.

Shea Thompson, Nebraska, USA

 
New Post 4/13/2008 11:02 AM
  Prof. Verkhoshansky
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Re: wrestling 
Modified By Prof. Verkhoshansky  on 4/14/2008 10:56:20 AM)

Dear Shea Thompson,
Who would you research to find more information on how the Russian wrestlers were trained?

What are some things that they (Russian wrestlers) may have done differently in there training where they did not increase mass to much?

 The most important Russian sport training magazine is “The theory and practice of the physical culture and sport” in which there are a lot of publications about the methodology of the Russian wrestlers training. The big problem is that all these publications are in Russian.

The most important wrestling training expert that I knew many years ago was Alexandr Novikov. Now there are a lot of new experts who I don’t know, but I am sure that all of them are a very high level experts and they really don’t need my help.

Why?

The Russian Wrestling training methodology is elaborated at a very good level.

First, because Wrestling was always very popular in old Russian empery and in Soviet Union. During many years the practical experiences of many coaches that worked with many wrestlers have been shared between them and developed.

Second, because the Soviet Wrestling teams had always a high level scientific assistance that assured them the possibility to optimize the training process.

The optimization of training process allows to not perform work more that it’s y strictly necessary and to not do anything that is not useful (sorry if underline something that could sound obvious).

The optimization regards also the strength training. The strength training of Olympic sport athlete must be functional or, as I say, specific. So, it must be very different from Bodybuilding training and also from Weightlifting training.

The wrestlers need to increase the strength in particular movements joined in a particular structure. For this reason the Russian wrestlers use specific strength devises and specific training methods that allow to achieve the increasing of  the  power of specific movements and, if it’s necessary, without the muscle mass increasing. 

 

Yuri Verkhoshansky

 
New Post 4/15/2008 2:33 AM
  thomshe
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Professor Verkhoshansky,

Thank you for the reply. What you have said is very helpful and I will look more into it. From what I gathered. Identifying each person's weakness in their specific training is ideal. Then applying exercises that will bring out ideal qualities in those specific movements or techniques. I feel this is a common mistake in many sports and now that I have learned from yourself, dr. issurin, dr. bondarchuk and in our country James Smith. I see the common mistake of making people stronger and stronger is happening over and over as the main focus, when mastering the specific training is not happening. I will also look into Alexandr Novikov and "The theory and practice of the physical culture and sport". Although I am not fluent in Russian, our diving coach at the university is and can help me a little. Thanks for you help and knowledge.

Shea Thompson, Nebraska, USA

 
New Post 6/2/2008 11:51 AM
  Prof. Verkhoshansky
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Dear Shea Thompson,

the Alexandr Novikov you mentioned is another author, I was referring to Alexandr Novikov who was Wrestiling Soviet National Team coach.

Yuri Verkhoshansky

 
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